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Title: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: signsintime on August 14, 2010, 08:10:25 PM
Being new to clothing sales I am stumped. I want to do the right thing and get the best search results for my products, but I don't know which way to go or if it even matters.

What say you?
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: ITSDF on August 14, 2010, 08:20:47 PM
but I think in terms of shoes!
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: Southern Jewel's Fab Finds on August 14, 2010, 08:30:36 PM
If I'm selling the item on eBay, I see which has the best numbers in the sub-category.
(sweaters, jeans, coats, etc etc)
Also title number of characters plays into my decision, too.
Even though I know you're asking for your website, I still base alot of my research on eBay.

Today's listings with the below word in title:
womens = 3,183,382
ladies = 1,345,850

I didn't vote cuz I don't have a norm...I go with my research.
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: planetsuze on August 14, 2010, 08:59:29 PM
I voted for Ladies, but - after I did, I realized, Ladies to me infers regular sizes, and Womens to plus-sizes. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: springintoscooters on August 14, 2010, 09:07:59 PM
Women's is a specific size range. I'd stick to the department store sizing jargon. No men's clothing uses the same descriptives. Juniors, sized and styled for teen aged or young adult women of slight build. Petite, sized for women of smaller stature, but more mature in style. Misses', the mid range of sizing for women of average stature. Women's, larger sizes usually 18 up or 22 up. Women's petite, formerly known as half sizes, for heavier but shorter women. Plus size is also acceptable for the upper range of women's sizes. I'd consult the major online clothing retailers to find out where the acceptable break point for that category is.  There is also a size category "tall" that modifies either Misses' or Women's sizes, but unless you specialize in that size range, you're not too likely to run across a garment in that size range.

(I was typing this as Suze was posting)
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: signsintime on August 14, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
Holy moly, Scoot! You just blew a few fuses in my brain with that one. Of course I did just spend the day installing zen-cart mods, creating and templating a blog, creating feeds from the blog to twitter and facebook, and don't even get me started on the google webmaster tools.

I had no idea what the OP question would open up.

No wonder I can't ever find stuff that fits in stores right off the bat. I don't know if I'm a lady, a miss, a woman, a petite, a junior or what. I just gravitate to the stuff I like and hold it up to see if it'll go around me. <sigh>

Keep it coming! I love all this learning.
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: gypsumoon on August 14, 2010, 09:51:08 PM
No need to say anything else - Scoot nailed it  :up
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: biggfredd on August 14, 2010, 10:01:41 PM
Scoot's worked retail clothing.  I was going to point out that I thought they had specific meaning, like misses or juniors.
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: signsintime on August 14, 2010, 10:10:29 PM
No wonder I hate shopping for clothes. It's too confusing. I just stick with mens size small or medium T-shirts and call it a day.
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: ICToys.com on August 15, 2010, 07:09:45 AM
Yes, but . . . in the more general world of online retail, Women's is often used to describe all clothing for adult female type folks.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dapparel&field-keywords=&x=9&y=20

I would use Women's because Amazon does - and then get into more size specific designations. 
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: biggfredd on August 15, 2010, 07:22:44 AM
Friend of mine used to manage at Lane Bryant, which he called clothes for fat chicks.  (He makes a mean artichoke pizza).

Then there's Michael Salem...
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: signsintime on August 15, 2010, 09:26:39 AM
Yes, but . . . in the more general world of online retail, Women's is often used to describe all clothing for adult female type folks.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dapparel&field-keywords=&x=9&y=20[/url]

I would use Women's because Amazon does - and then get into more size specific designations. 

I think this is a great way to handle the issue.  I'm going this route as it's a nice compromise and won't  have me too paralyzed to list an ad. Besides, maybe if I were to use women's in the title and then the more detailed description I might pull in more hits.
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: springintoscooters on August 15, 2010, 09:29:26 AM
I think you're on to something there.
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: signsintime on August 15, 2010, 09:40:26 AM
If YOU think so, then I feel comfortable I'm doing the right thing. 8)
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: BTPS on August 15, 2010, 11:10:16 AM
I voted for Ladies, but - after I did, I realized, Ladies to me infers regular sizes, and Womens to plus-sizes. Just a thought.

almost think like me.

Womens = plus size

I look at it like what's at the Neiman Marcus or Macy or ahatever store

Never see or hear of a ladies department it's usually Misses department and then you have a juniors, and a girls, then childrens

Quote
Women's, larger sizes usually 18 up or 22 up.
Womens is a W size or an X size
14W up is Womens Plus Size.
1X and up is also women's plus size
Look at Lane Bryant heck some times they have 12W and 0X sizes now
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: wahm922 on August 16, 2010, 07:17:09 PM
I think this is a great way to handle the issue.  I'm going this route as it's a nice compromise and won't  have me too paralyzed to list an ad. Besides, maybe if I were to use women's in the title and then the more detailed description I might pull in more hits.

This option gets my vote :up
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: nightrunway on October 03, 2010, 09:56:57 PM
I've been having a terrible time with sizing, since ebay came up with their new layout.
I buy Junior Plus size: They range XL 2X 3X.  Ebay has no category for these sizes in the junior line up. So I end up listing them in Plus with the caption under the picture "Junior Plus" I've called ebay about this and they said they would check into it. That was 2 weeks ago.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: biggfredd on October 03, 2010, 10:09:32 PM
http://www.ecrater.com
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: Southern Jewel's Fab Finds on October 07, 2010, 12:10:10 PM
Nope, Gaylene.
However, I'd try again and note to them that Petites have a larger category...why not Junior's.
If you need me to send an email from my eBay ID...lemme know. The more requests the better.
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: nightrunway on October 07, 2010, 12:27:46 PM
Thanks Donna, that would be great.  You're right the more people they hear from the better.  I saw one seller listing under plus and making a note under the picture Junior Plus.  But, there is such a difference than a regular plus and a junior plus, I doubt that anyone who wears a junior size is going to check out the plus sizes.   
I think I'll write a review, that's updated to how manufacturers are selling their items now.
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: BTPS on October 07, 2010, 08:48:46 PM
I've been having a terrible time with sizing, since ebay came up with their new layout.
I buy Junior Plus size: They range XL 2X 3X.  Ebay has no category for these sizes in the junior line up. So I end up listing them in Plus with the caption under the picture "Junior Plus" I've called ebay about this and they said they would check into it. That was 2 weeks ago.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

years and years ago ebay got rid of big and tall mens.  I took them 5 years to finally bring it back.

I too asked for Junior Plus Size category about 5 years ago ... still waiting

Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: JandTs Madness on October 08, 2010, 11:17:59 PM
There def. needs to be a junior plus category
I list it in plus but include Jr plus in the title and description
I also choose Junior under item specifics (This helps a lot)

Honestly  I never use ladies or womens in the title. Only plus or jr if I have space. 
Never thought too because I never use it to search I usually use item specifics to find what I am looking for...
Maybe I should...


Tina   
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: nightrunway on October 09, 2010, 03:55:48 PM
I called ebay again last night.  They said they see where I have made this request before, and the guy told me he had other requests for this also.  I don't know if he received Donna's request, (she was going to do that  for me).  I think the best thing to do is Bombard them all at once with the same request, from everybody you talk to, and maybe they'll finally get on the ball. 
You can usually get through to them by phone if you go to technical and site isues,  under contact, Otherwise you just go through their merry-go-round of asking questions, and never getting a phone #
Title: Re: Women's vs Ladies'
Post by: Southern Jewel's Fab Finds on October 10, 2010, 11:53:49 AM
I asked several times...I'll give it another try.
If I still had a store, I could just use the store contact phone number...always courteous and nice to have a human answer my questions.
I had to use the online contact, and I'm never sure if they are considering my question or not.
Gaylene, I did wonder if you'd gone to the eBay forums...Griff is on there and answers frequently. Perhaps if you asked him out and out on the boards, it might help. I could also back up your request on the forums with comments, too.