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Banking is a huge source of income, especially if they become recognized as a bank.  As a bank they can then do fractional reserve banking (loaning out way more than what is deposited, thus basically creating money out of thin air).

There are, of course, pros and cons to being recognized as a bank, primarily all of the banking regulations, which is why PayPal fought so hard to not be recognized as a bank, even getting an FDIC ruling stating that they're not.

I'm not sure Amazon wants to become a full-fledged bank, but they certainly want all of the benefits of one and are trying hard to get consumers to see them as more paypal-like.   

Speaking of such things, I still don't get why so many sites accept PayPal but don't accept Amazon Payments.  Is it that it's too much of a pain to integrate Vs. PayPal? Or is it that consumers are less comfortable using Amazon Payments?  :?

Virgin Mobile, which is a Sprint MVNO (mobile virtual network operator) just announced that they're doing the same sort of plan. Buy an iPhone (starting at $280) from them and get 1 yr of service for $1 AND get a free companion flight to the UK plus hotel stay. After the year is up, it becomes $50 a month.  Plan is unlimited voice/text/4GLTE data with 800 minutes domestic roaming and 100mb domestic data roaming. Virgin's plan does NOT include tethering (Sprint's does).  Like Sprint's, Virgin's expires at end of July.  Unlike Sprint's, Virgin's can be used by existing customers.

Yeah.  Even though I think I'm playing right into their plan of world domination, I did the add $20 to account thing today (for two different accts) and was super easy. Both the CVS person and the convenience store person knew what to do.  The $10 bonuses were credited immediately.
I'm thinking of giving it a go myself. At the very least running it side by side with my TMobile phone at shows to see which I like better and which has fewer days of congestion. 

Huge thread on it at Slickdeals. I suggest the first page or two and then start reading around pg 338

Theres also discussion around pg 338/339 about getting phones not on official list, but that have the correct radios for CDMA, working on the deal.
Forgot to add: phone needs to be unlocked so can use it on Sprint.  Some of those phones already are, but not all.  Can buy unlock codes on ebay for cheap if needed.  And, some of those phones come in different flavors (GSM only versions -- aka ATT/Tmobile, and CDMA only versions -- aka Verizon/Sprint).  Make sure it's CDMA compatible, especially if buying  one to get in on this deal.
Yes, you read that correctly. Switch to Sprint and get unlimited calling, unlimited texting, and unlimited 4GLTE data for a year!  Even includes 10GB/month hotspot service.

The fine print - must sign up for auto-pay and you will have to pay the taxes, so that's going to be anywhere from $5-$17 a month.

The other fine print - only certain phones qualify for the promo.  Some have said they've been able to use other Sprint-compatible phones by calling in, but others have had their promo all messed up by the reps that work the phone bank. So. . .

Offer ends July 31st (originally ended June 30th but they extended it).  Depending on how you work this program, you may need them to ship you a SIM card, so don't wait until the last minute to sign up since it'll take a few days to get the SIM card and get things sorted out.

The webpage specifically mentions Verizon, but people have been able to switch from a variety of service providers.  For those that didn't have service that they wanted to switch, they bought prepaid sim cards from competitors, activated them, and then used that for switching.  Some have even said that they ported their Google Voice number over.

Official list of phones that qualify
Apple iPhone 5C (Verizon only)
Apple iPhone 5S (Verizon only)
Apple iPhone 6
Apple iPhone 6 Plus
Apple iPhone 6S
Apple iPhone 6S Plus
Apple iPhone 7 (Verizon only)
Apple iPhone 7 Plus (Verizon only)
Apple iPhone SE
Google Nexus 5 (AT&T and Verizon only)
Google Nexus 5X
Google Nexus 6
Google Nexus 6P
Google Pixel
Google Pixel XL
Motorola E4
Motorola Z2 Play
Motorola G4
Motorola G4 Play
Motorola G4 Plus
Motorola G5 Plus
Motorola X Pure Edition
Samsung Galaxy S7 edge Special Edition
Samsung Galaxy S7 Special Edition
Samsung Galaxy S8 Special Edition
Samsung Galaxy S8+ Special Edition

Moving more than one phone line?  Sign up for their referral program and then move the rest of them. 

Once you're signed up, get 25,000 free miles for American Airlines frequent flyer program by keying in your AAdvantage # here:
* Web Site & Search Engines / Re: Photobucket and their greed.
« on: July 01, 2017, 03:56:01 PM »
Talk about crazy price!  Sheesh! 

I'll use my free space on google drive, microsoft onedrive, and dropbox, thank you very much.
Possibly. It would certainly tie in to an all-emcompassing, Amazon eco-system where everyone has their paychecks direct deposited to their Amazon account. They then walk into any Go store, pick up their groceries, wave their phone, and out they go, heading home.

Get paid in cash? Deposit that to your Amazon account using Amazon Cash and then you're set for buying your groceries, etc.
* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon: Wax Melts and Maintenance Fee = Huh?
« on: July 01, 2017, 03:48:19 PM »
I hear ya. It used to be so easy to find stuff and so uncluttered. Now it's a disaster.  :(
* Amazon Central / Re: Bahahahahaha!
« on: July 01, 2017, 03:47:12 PM »
Well, Amazon (without my asking) either replaced or upgraded the shipping (hard to tell, they sent me a new tracking # via txt msg that doesn't show in my orders) and it was changed to overnight UPS with Saturday delivery.  BUT now it's in Illinois for delivery :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl
So I've been thinking about this whole Amazon Cash thing.  It hasn't made much sense, since you can just buy an Amazon gift card and do the same thing, but then it hit me. I think this is another step towards Amazon providing banking services and becoming the primary method of paying for goods and debts. 

It can easily work like a checking account, especially if they let you use it to pay at Whole Foods, eventually get B&M retailers to accept it as a payment method, and finally get utility companies and such to accept it.  When Amazon takes over the world of commerce (and that's not that big of a leap), providing banking services as well would be a logic step for them.

Now they also have a deal where you can link your bank account to Amazon and load your Amazon account similar to transferring money to your PayPal account.  Currently they're giving you a 2% bonus (E.g. transfer $100, get $102).  A recent news article said Amazon is doing all of this (Amazon Cash and Prime Reload) in order to avoid credit card fees. However, I can't help but think it's bigger than that, especially knowing how Amazon plays the long game.  And, avoiding credit card fees doesn't explain the Amazon Cash thing.  Attracting consumers that don't have bank accounts while at the same time avoiding the expense of shipping out all of those physical gift cards does explain Amazon Cash, but nonetheless. . .

Crap, now I'm gonna have nightmares
For those that don't know, Amazon has a new method of payment called Amazon Cash.  You go to any CVS, GameStop, or one of a few other retailers, show them a barcode that links to your Amazon account, they scan it, you give them however much you want added to your account, and it gets loaded onto your Amazon account.

It's exactly like buying an Amazon gift card, except you don't have to go home and type in the code in order to get it added to your Amazon account.

This is part of their plans to try to lure more of WalMart's customers away, to try to increase their lower income customer base.  However, I really don't see how it's any more convenient than typing in the card's number when you get home. In fact, it seems more of a pain since you don't always have your phone with you when you go into a store, and if you're lower-income (or really poor) you might not even have a smart phone.  So I just don't get it.  The only benefit I see is that the stores don't have to stock a physical pile of Amazon gift cards.  But there's ways around that as well. For example, they could key in the phone number that's linked to your Amazon account (which could be a landline or a cell #) *shrug*

That being said, in order to get people to try it, they're offering a $10 credit if you will use it to add $20 or more to your account.

The $20 can be paid using a variety of payment methods. You can pay with cash, debit card, credit card, gamestop trade in credits (if at a gamestop, of course), and any other payment method that the store will regularly let you use when buying an Amazon gift card.  Note: you cannot use gift cards (such as GameStop gift cards or CVS gift cards) and some store clerks have refused to allow people to use their credit card or debit card, despite the fact that you can.

Get your barcode for your Amazon account at

$20 must be added to your account by July 31st.
$10 promo credit will expire August 31st.
Promo credit will only work on items sold by

Also a very handy link - Ever get told by Amazon customer service that they're going to give you a promo credit for whatever reason and you want to confirm that they actually did, since they mess up so frequently?  Most promo credits can only been seen by adding an item to your cart and then going to the checkout system, but there's a better way.  Sign in to Amazon,  go to, and it will show you all of your current promo credits.
* Amazon Central / Bahahahahaha!
« on: June 29, 2017, 10:11:21 PM »
I think this is a first for me.  Amazon order I placed that was supposed to arrive today in Oklahoma got delayed because instead of going from TX to Okla, it ended up in California  :laugh

I've had both incoming orders and outbound shipments end up misdirected, with a woot order going up to Illinois or somewhere like that (been so long ago I don't remember exactly) and my outgoing ending up in all sorts of odd places, but I can't remember one ever ending up all the way in San Bernardino, Calif.   :laugh

According to the rules, I should get another month of Prime for free, but the last 3 times I've been told I've exceeded my 12x per year limit.  In actuality I got 12 free months last year and 12 free the year before, and my new 12-month time-period started a few months ago, but I guess they decided two full years free in a row is my limit.   :rotfl   They have been good about giving me a $5 credit in lieu of, so there's that  (even though a month of Prime prorates to $8.25)

Edit - this time got a $10 credit in lieu of  :D!
* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon: Wax Melts and Maintenance Fee = Huh?
« on: June 29, 2017, 09:52:47 PM »
Looks like they actually listened this time.  Pro Assembly no longer an option

So far security aspect looks okay.  In the process of all of this, I did discover a bug that I reported (which was what caused so many headaches for me in getting email working).  In their control panel, you can select which PCI compliance issues to do or to not do (e.g. use TSL1.0 on webserver or not to use), BUT any changing of any PCI settings kills their dovecot mailserver.  It's been booted up the chain to the server tech team.

Also, worth mentioning, their email client settings info is out of date.  It references using unsecure connection on ports 110 & 25 - that no longer works (at least it didnt for me).  The correct settings are:

server name (both incoming & outgoing):
<your-acct-name>  E.g.
your full email acct  E.g.

POP3 incoming
  use TSL
  port 995
POP3 outgoing
  use TSL
  port 465

IMAP incoming
  use SSL/TSL
  port 993
IMAP outgoing
  use SSL/TSL
  port 465

If using Outlook, see my fix in other thread to force Outlook to use TSL1.1 & 1.2
A bit more on the TSL1.0 thing - I just came across the fact that unless you're letting Windows7 automatically do updates (which many people aren't) it reportedly doesn't have TSL1.1 or 1.2 support. 

Just think of all those people out there running 7 without latest updates.  Not to mention all the people that are still using XP or Vista. That's a huge customer base to be blocking out from ecommerce sites.

On the plus side, think of all the internet cafes in Nigeria and such that are still using older systems. That's a win  :P
* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon: Wax Melts and Maintenance Fee = Huh?
« on: June 29, 2017, 01:43:39 PM »
Out of curiosity I added it to cart. Turns out the assembly is TV Stand or Media Storage Assembly - Media Cabinet

Of course the big question is how the heck did wax melts become classified as a TV stand or media cabinet?

I reported it too as a buyer, using the incorrect product info link.
* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon: Wax Melts and Maintenance Fee = Huh?
« on: June 29, 2017, 01:40:13 PM »
Good grief!
Spent tons of time trying to find how to get Outlook to not use TSL1.0, and FINALLY found it.  If your server has TSL1.0 turned off for PCI compliance, you can't use Outlook to access your emails, and you have Windows7 or higher, it's an easy registry fix.

run regedit
go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SecurityProviders\Schannel\Protocols
create key named: TLS 1.1
create another key named: TLS 1.2
inside of each of those, create a key named: Client
inside each of the Client keys, create a DWord value named: DisabledByDefault
leave value of each instances of DisabledByDefault set to 00000000
reboot the machine

now, in outlook, edit the email account(s) to where it uses TSL encryption for connecting to the account(s)

Another option is to simply use Thunderbird, the latest version of it has TSL1.1 and 1.2 enabled by default.

To simplify the process of editing the registry, I have attached files to fix it (for windows7,8,&10) for you.  Simply run the two attachments and they will add those keys/subkeys/and DWord values auto-magically

Thanks to RainingForks blog for the info on how to fix it

I just spent a good chunk of the day pulling my hair out over trying to get outlook to connect to the email server for the new host.  I finally figured out what was going on.  By default, TSL1.0 is disabled, due to the new PCI compliance issues.  However, Outlook 2010 and older wont work without TSL1.0 being available on the server side of things. 

From my understanding, the completely disabling of TSL1.0 doesn't have to be done until July of 2018, so I (and the tons of other people using older versions of Outlook) have a year to get that resolved.  *phew*  edit - people are reporting that they are failing their PCI scans even though the date isn't here yet and that they're having to protest the results.

If all else fails, the workaround will be to host email on a separate server, such as godaddy email.

If you're unable to get your email client to connect to your new host, check into whether or not they have TSL1.0 disabled. 
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