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just read article from WSJ that sounds a little hopeful. According to the article, Justice Sotomayor said that throwing out Quill would create a whole new set of problems.  And, that Justice Alito also wasn't convinced, saying that overruling Quill could invite states to make more aggressive moves. "Do you have any doubt that states that are tottering on the edge of insolvency and municipalities which may be in even worse position have a strong incentive to grab everything they possibly can?"

But, Justice Kennedy and Justice Ginsburg have both said that perhaps it's time to reconsider Quill and that with the internet, things have changed.   Justice Kagan recognizes that many sellers use 3rd party's such as Amazon to process their sales and that it wouldn't be a stretch to have them handling the taxes, but finds it, ". . . a little bit ironic in saying the problem with Quill is that it benefited all these companies, so now we’re going to overturn Quill so that we can benefit the exact same companies.”
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Changes to Marketplace Tax Collections
« on: April 22, 2018, 03:46:03 PM »
I still say that the ultimate solution is to make sales taxes due at point of sale, not point of residence.
When was the last time a brick and mortar merchant asked you for your ZIP Code so he could calculate your sales tax?
Agreed. That would simplify everything. 
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Toy Category Now Restricted?
« on: April 20, 2018, 10:33:06 PM »
So Legos, learning toys (whatever that means), infant toys, and outdoor toys have been gated? Or is it that theyre planning on gating and sent email prematurely?

I didnt get the original either but did get the other.
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Changes to Marketplace Tax Collections
« on: April 20, 2018, 10:23:34 PM »
The problem with that is, software now for sales tax is costing several thousands of dollars. Too expensive for a small store.
Agreed.  Heck, I tried back some time ago to find a software solution for shopping cart that could handle Oklahoma's tax and couldnt find any.  All I could find was stuff that would have to be custom coded.  Even Kohls had to go with a version that first asked what county you were in, then asked customer if address was inside the city limits or outside the city limits, so that it could determine which county sales tax and whether to add city tax or not.

A partial list of big companies that have gotten my tax rate wrong (overcharging me anywhere from 50% more to 100% more than they should have):
AT&T Cellular
Cricket Wireless
TMobile
Best Buy
Wal-Mart
Staples
Office Max
Office Depot
Target
Blockbuster
IBM

If they cant get it right, how does the govt expect small vendors to get it right?  Granted, theyve been slowly getting better, thanks to better software, but still. . .
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Changes to Marketplace Tax Collections
« on: April 20, 2018, 10:10:30 PM »
Oklahoma is one of those states that keeps squandering its money.  Schools were underfunded, so we passed the lottery, casino gambling, and raised tobacco taxes. The money from the lottery and casinos was supposed to go to the schools.  Whatd they do? They started spending the money that was already going to schools on other stuff, since it wasnt earmarked for education.  So, here we are again with schools underfunded, teacher strikes, etc.

Heck, a few years back we spent 21million putting a dome with 3ton bronze statue atop the capitol building. Not to mention the tons of money spent defending laws that have been ruled to violate either our state constitution or the federal constitution.  They tried a few times to ban abortion, for example.
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Prime Wardrobe No Longer in Beta?
« on: April 19, 2018, 12:31:55 PM »
Yeah, that's gotta be it.  Good thing they don't know about the 40+ shirts and the 30+ ties I've bought from JCPenny  :-X :laugh
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Prime Wardrobe No Longer in Beta?
« on: April 19, 2018, 02:18:53 AM »
I dont buy that much clothing from them, but did order around 20 pair of jeans between last year and year before.  :? 

Maybe Amazon is trying to get me to start buying more clothing from them?   :?
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Changes to Marketplace Tax Collections
« on: April 17, 2018, 12:16:35 PM »
Next they'll be wanting out of state vendors to pay them state income tax based on the % of sales that were shipped to their state.
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Changes to Marketplace Tax Collections
« on: April 16, 2018, 08:42:18 AM »
And I am not being the collection agency for states where I have no physical presence. I have more important things to do with my time.
Agreed. If they want out of state vendors to collect and remit the sales tax, they need to provide some sort of incentive, such as letting us keep a % of it as a fee. Then, if our sales are high enough, it'll make economic sense for the company to hire someone to do nothing but spend his/her time filing all those forms and submitting those payments. It would be a win-win.
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Changes to Marketplace Tax Collections
« on: April 15, 2018, 09:58:13 AM »
Supreme Court will begin hearing arguments in South Dakota v. Wayfair case on Tuesday.   

If SD wins, it could result in states having jurisdiction over online sellers that are located outside of the state, and allow them to force out of state vendors to collect and remit sales tax.

South Dakota's law that's in question creates nexus based on economics rather than physical presence. It requires online sellers, who do not have a physical presence in SD, but who sell more than $100,000 to residents in SD OR have 200 or more sales to residents of SD, to collect and remit sales tax.

There have been a ton of amici curiae (friends of the court) briefs filed in support of both sides http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/south-dakota-v-wayfair-inc/

Edit to add: a really good article about the case: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-16/online-sales-taxes-face-high-court-test-as-states-seek-billions
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Does look good and I do like that they have email services available (on the $13/month and higher plans); something that not all ecommerce site providers do.

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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Prime Wardrobe No Longer in Beta?
« on: April 14, 2018, 04:33:59 PM »
 :laugh

Apparently.  Weird how it showed up on homepage, though, just saying something like, Experience Prime Wardrobe.
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* Amazon Central / Amazon Prime Wardrobe No Longer in Beta?
« on: April 13, 2018, 06:27:54 PM »
For those that missed it, Amazon quietly introduced a new Prime feature, called Prime Wardrobe, back in June of 2017.  It's similar to the various fashion delivery services, where you get shipped a box of clothing to choose from.  Unlike the various services, you get to pick what's shipped.  An article about the beta launch can be read at https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/20/amazon-prime-wardrobe/  It even includes the return label for easy return of the items you don't want to keep.

I noticed today that it's now showing up on the front page of amazon.com (not sure how long it's been there, since I seldom go to the front page). 

Edit - Amazon page is at >>here<< and according to it, it's still via invitation only.  I never requested an invite, but am seeing a "You're Invited" banner   :?
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* General Discussions / Re: NECCO possibly going out of business :(
« on: April 13, 2018, 06:21:01 PM »
I didn't care much for the Mary Jane chew when I tried it, but I'm not a  peanut butter person (except reeses peanut butter cups)

Love the Haviland mints.  Remember back in the day when most restaurants had either those or the York Peppermint Patties next to the cash register, with many letting you take one for free?   *sigh*
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* General Discussions / NECCO possibly going out of business :(
« on: April 12, 2018, 11:47:23 AM »
NECCO, America's oldest candy maker, has announced that if they can't find a buyer, they will be closing their doors.

Sales of their candy has skyrocketed, with prices reportedly surging online on sites such as eBay (note:I havent verified whether or not prices are actually going up and if there's an arbitrage opportunity there)

Candies they make:
Sweethearts - those chalky, heart shaped candies with words such as "Be Mine" printed on them

NECCO Wafers - wafer candies in orange, lemon, lime, clove, chocolate, cinnamon, licorice, and wintergreen flavors

Candy Buttons

Clark Bar

Haviland Thin Mints - filling flavors of original mint, orange, raspberry, or double chocolate

Mighty Malts - malted milk balls

Sky Bar - chocolate bar with peanut, vanilla, caramel, and fudge

Slap Stix -caramel pop swirled with banana nougat

Squirrel Nut Zippers - peanut and caramel chews

Mary Jane - peanut butter chews

Never had a Sky Bar, but they sound good.  Loved the Mighty Malts as a kid. Same with the Haviland Thin Mints.  Sadly, I seldom see any of these candies for sale any more, thanks to competitors buying up the shelf space :(
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Changes to Marketplace Tax Collections
« on: April 06, 2018, 01:16:45 PM »
Update on Oklahoma taxing 3P sellers on Amazon - it just passed the Senate (already passed the House).

Being called the Amazon Tax, it requires any remote seller and marketplace facilitator with sales of $10,000 or more to collect and provide sales taxes to the state or comply with requirements by the tax commission (in lieu of collecting & paying, notifying each customer at end of year exactly how much tax the customer owes the state).  That overview's from a tv station in Okla City. I presume they mean $10,000+ in sales that are shipped to residents of the state, rather than sales of $10,000+ total, but can't pull up the bill on the state legislation website because the search engine can't handle the fact there are non-numeric characters in the bill number.  It's Okla HB 1019XX
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Changes to Marketplace Tax Collections
« on: April 05, 2018, 04:07:52 PM »
In related news, South Dakota recently lost case where NewEgg, Overstock, & Wayfair fought them over this exact thing (making out of state vendors with no physical presence collect sales tax). It was found to violates SCOTUS ruling in Quill v. North Dakota.  South Dakota is still fighting it and it's now headed to Supreme Court. It's expected to be ruled upon by end of June.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1F12JG
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Changes to Marketplace Tax Collections
« on: April 04, 2018, 11:02:50 PM »
Making Amazon collect sales tax from 3P sellers on Amazon for purchases in Okla has passed the Okla House. Now it goes to Okla Senate.

This is being pushed through as a way to increase teacher pay and resolve the teacher walkout. 
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* Amazon Central / Re: Amazon Changes to Marketplace Tax Collections
« on: April 04, 2018, 06:39:43 PM »
An update - now the talks at Okla House of Reps is to make Amazon collect and submit sales tax for all 3P vendors. Which, Amazon does have a physical presence in the state, in the form of a sorting center, but does not warehouse FBA items in the state.

So, for FBA sellers, Oklahoma does have a leg to stand on, if you look at it from the perspective of Amazon being akin to a consignment shop. However, for sellers that don't use FBA. . . 

They're also talking about eventually requiring all online selling platforms to collect and remit sales tax on behalf of 3P sellers.
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Did you think the reason Chinese vendors get to ship to U.S. so cheaply is because of subsidies from Chinese govt? Think again.

From the article: as a result of this shipping fee imbalance, it's estimated that 25% of the 3P marketplace on Amazon is made up of vendors from China.  :o

https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2017/11/05/how-the-usps-epacket-gives-postal-subsidies-to-chinese-e-commerce-merchants-to-ship-to-the-usa-cheap/
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